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INgrooves acting against [even their own] authors on Youtube.

by Jane is K.O. - 3.04.15

The MATRIX represented by INgrooves via Youtube is attacking our former band Girls United (not a cheerleader nuisance against adolescents), because we are showing our own work on Youtube. It’s a fun story ;)

My jayropinsky Youtube channel is just the base for a few uploads of our own music videos.
The first one i uploaded was “Girls United – Whom do you love?” in 2006, filmed and edited entirely by Storno in Berlin.

Girls United were a mass improvisation band associated to kliklak.net, that existed for about 3 years at the time. Me and up to 11 fellow musicians had been committed to improvise pop music on the spot and to show, that this type of music can be renewed every time you play. We played around 80 shows in 18 months, released an album digitally on a US label with ties to Sony Germany and then split up due to strong disagreements about an offer to take part in advertorials advertising Sony mobile phones. It got pretty hysterical then. Some smelled money, others just wanted to do music free from such. However, the band was great before this happened.

So when i recently logged into my Youtube account i stumbled over a copyright complaint of a dubious company called INgrooves regarding this Girls United video (see end of this post). See this:

Disputed third party matched content

Erm, wwwhat??

INgrooves had been allowed to monetarize our video by Youtube, Since when? Who are INgrooves at all?. We weren’t informed about anything at all brefore, neither in an email nor in a Youtube member message. I only just learned about this, when i randomly logged into my Youtube account.


Naturally the videos we supply on Youtube are free (and of ads) for everyone, music included. A lot of that material isn’t even registered with copyright societies. Bandcamp releases might be the only source of the music otherwise. Then again, Girls United music got GEMA-registered, when it got released on dPulse Florida in 2008. But our video was up until now, and why should anyone complain about this freebie?

So i officially disputed this right away, Youtube’s answer page just made me laugh out loud. Click to enlarge and then see the text on the right…

GU INgrooves dispute

“Your copyright dispute is currently being reviewed by the copyright owner. “

Aha! G.g.giggle. INgrooves owns my/our copyright now? Or am i reviewing my own dispute? Absurd.

Besides looking at another automated idiocy i still wanted to find out, what could be the story behind all this, left alone more complaint automation used by some dubious INgrooves company to scan released material and then send out copyright infringement complaints?
Well, Girls United had this 2-year contract with dPulse Records at the time 2008-2010. They never sent any license statements or payments nor did they answer any email regarding this afterwards. And now, 4 years after the end of this contract it turns out, that our song is still in their online shops. Distributed by … AHA! INgrooves. This gets really funny now.

Within an hour Youtube answers my dispute. Read.

answer youtube 1 INgrooves has “decided”: I am disagreeing with my own dispute. Today is Easter friday, there could only be software in the office at INgrooves “leadership team” to “review” and “decide” quickly over a human culprit.
This arrives right away:

youtube answer 2 “Your dispute wasn’t approved. The claimant has reviewed their claim and confirmed it was valid. You may be able to appeal this decision, but if the claimant disagrees with your appeal, you could end up with a strike on your account.”

Oh and: their monetization was turned back on. Automation is generous.
So these are the “options”

dispute II

While staring at this i get a good tip from Girls United member Splatterdandy on a kind of copyright activist lawyer office in Berlin. With that possible force in my mind i am redisputing the reclaim with all details of the registered work.
In return

appeal II Youtube announces, that “Claimant can [now] take down video” Hopa! But now at least automation has ended and they will have to send a real letter to me to address my dispute in person.

To be continued here upon arrival.


If you’d like to follow this case check my Twitter (just revived, only good for news like this).

Moreover, if you got victimized by a similar (and absurd) incident like this yourself and as an artist, please comment here and mention it with all useful URLs. Let’s team up and laugh about those business idiots.

Thank you. jayrope


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